Discussion:Guerre hungaro-roumaine de 1919/Archive Commons

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Raison: This map does not concord with the reality from 1914 or 1919 ([1]) Rgvis (discuter) 10:24, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Can you explain what does not match, exactly ? We are talking about 1919-1920, not about 1914-1918.Accipiter Q. Gentilis (discuter) 14:12, 25 January 2019 (UTC) We need only one discussion for the English and German (Commons:Deletion requests/File:Hungarian-Romanian War.de.png) versions. Accipiter Q. Gentilis (discuter) 14:17, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

This map is not a copy of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kelly_Miller%27s_history_of_the_world_war_for_human_right;_being_an_intensely_human_and_brilliant_account_of_the_world_war_and_why_and_for_what_purpose_America_and_the_allies_are_fighting_and_the_(14595424610).jpg showing exclusively the 1914 lands of Austro-Hungary, but a derivative work, showing more other details according with several historic maps from Hans-Erich Stier's (dir.) Grosser Atlas zur Weltgeschichte, Westermann 1985, ( (ISBN 3-14-100919-8)), Putzger's Historischer Weltatlas, Cornelsen 1990, ( (ISBN 3-464-00176-8)), Georges Duby's Atlas historique Larousse 1987, ( (ISBN 2-03-503009-9)), the « Atlas des Peuples » of André & Jean Sellier, La Découverte publ., : Europe centrale, 1992, ( (ISBN 2-7071-2032-4)) the Történelmi atlasz, Hungarian academy publ. 1991, ( (ISBN 963-351-422-3)) CM and the Atlas istorico-geografic, Romanian academy publ. 1995, ( (ISBN 973-27-0500-0)).--Julieta39 (discuter) 17:14, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Firstly, the territorial status in 1914, as is presented in this map, does not reflect the reality of the time, Hungary not being an independent state, but a constituent of the Austro-Hungarian Empire; where are the borders of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, to which Hungary belonged? Also, in 1914, we cannot talk about the RSFSR! Secondly, in November 1918, the Austro-Hungarian Empire disintegrated, and immediately, all territories with ethnicities other than Austrians and Hungarians separated from the former Empire, and folowed a different historical course. What are Bukovina, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Bosnia in this context? Independent countries, provincies, or what? In 1919, territorial demarcations were quite different. (Rgvis (discuter) 16:18, 26 January 2019 (UTC))

It seems that you disagree this map because, as created by Kryston, it is a comparative one, what showing in colors (yellow, blue, red, green) the austrian-hungarian Hungary, the Romanian, Serbian and Russian territories in 1914, and also in pink stripes the Soviet Hungary in 1919 and in white lines, the 1920 borders? --Julieta39 (discuter) 13:57, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Thirdly, the statement that "between December 1918 and June 1920 Transylvania was administrated (misspelled as "administratered") by Oskar Jaszi - Alexandru Averescu and the Hungarian-Romanian Commission is pure OR. Shortly after the dissolution of the empire, the Transylvanian Romanians did not accept any proposal from the newly created Hungarian government, and Transylvania came under Romanians control, through the Directing Council of Transylvania, Banat and all Romanian lands in Hungary, which, starting November 1918, assumed administrative and executive power in all these territories. (Rgvis (discuter) 16:18, 26 January 2019 (UTC))

If the Jaszi-Averescu Hungarian-Romanian Commission is pure OR, so Michel Sturdza (The Suicide of Europe, Western Islands Publishers 1968, p. 22, Belmont, Massachusetts, USA, Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 68-58284) and some others romanian historians are only liars. In fact Oskar Jàszi ruled the Hungarians of Transylvania (especially in the towns) and the romanian Council of Transylvania, Banat and all Romanian lands in Hungary have not an official de jure control, but the romanian troops ensured its de facto authority --Julieta39 (discuter) 13:57, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Finally, the map shows absolutely nothing about of the Hungarian-Romanian War. Everything on this map is inaccurate and confusing! (Rgvis (discuter) 16:18, 26 January 2019 (UTC))

If you want, please, improve this map. Today, I improve just some details. --Julieta39 (discuter) 13:57, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Some examples of accurate maps: before WWI: [2], [3], [4], [5]; after WWI: [6], [7], [8], [9]. (Rgvis (discuter) 16:18, 26 January 2019 (UTC))

Les cartes en lien ci-dessus montrent tout, sauf la République des Conseils et la situation pendant le conflit de l'été 1919. Il semble qu'il existe des personnes qui ne peuvent pas intégrer la notion de diachronie (carte historique montrant comparativement la situation « avant, pendant et après » une guerre). --2A01:CB1C:821F:A400:8099:1FED:EEA8:4929 (discuter) 17 juin 2021 à 18:51 (CEST)