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This is a discussion page specially designed for people who do not speak French to discuss anything related to the French Wikipedia. You can also request assistance here. Messages can be added in any language including French, although relatively few contributors to French Wikipedia are fluent in languages other than French and English.

The number of articles in the French Wikipedia is now 1 657 089.


  • You can ask anything about French language of Wikimedia projects;
  • You can ask anything about French language and French culture (or about the culture of any French-speaking country);
  • You can ask anything about the MediaWiki software;
  • You are very welcome to give us your advice and suggestions about the French Wikipedia;
  • You can use any language to ask questions, but questions in English are more likely to be answered in a timely manner.
  • Bot requests can be made (preferably in French or English) on Wikipédia:Bot/Statut.

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This page exists to help non-French-speaking contributors who wish to contribute to this Wikipedia. If you need any help, feel free to contact someone who will be able to help you in your native language. You can also ask your question in the Bistro for non-French-speakers.

Cette page permet aussi d’aider les contributeurs francophones à trouver un contact pour obtenir des informations sur la Wikipedia anglophone. Si vous avez besoin d’aide, contactez quelqu'un qui pourra vous aider en français et en anglais. Informez-vous aussi sur le Bistro des non-francophones.

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Jehan d'Authon and Jean d’Auton[modifier]

Hello! I noticed that you have 2 articles from the same person: Jehan d'Authon and Jean d’Auton. While merging their Wikidata-items, I disconnected the second from WD. Please merge the articles and correct in Wikidata if required. Thanks, --Tacsipacsi (discuter) 6 juin 2015 à 19:32 (CEST)

A request has been made to Wikipédia:Pages_à_fusionner. Regards, Comte0 (discuter) 6 juin 2015 à 22:17 (CEST)

Galicia 20 - 20 Challenge[modifier]

Mapa de Galiza con bandeira.svg

Wikipedia:Galicia 20 - 20 Challenge is a public writing competition which will improve and translate this list of 20 really important articles into as many languages as possible. Everybody can help in any language to collaborate on writing and/or translating articles related to Galicia. To participate you just need to sign up here. Thank you very much.--Breogan2008 (discuter) 9 juin 2015 à 00:59 (CEST)

Hi Breogan2008 (d · c · b),
Thanks for your message. I translated and share it on our « bistro » talk page. Greetings, --Floflo (discuter) 9 juin 2015 à 10:24 (CEST)

Population and Wikidata[modifier]

We would like to use Your data about population of French communities in our Wikipedia (pl). Your data is extensive and bona fide, so opportunity to use them would definitely help in development of our Wiki. We'd like to use them in an ednless currency mode, what could be possible by sharing them through Wikidata. Their exposition would also enable their usage on other Wikipedias.
Regards, Mati7 (discuter) 17 juillet 2015 à 18:32 (CEST)

Hello, all and any info on WP:fr is published subject to CC-by-sa license. Thus you are entitled to re-use it without even asking for, provided you do it according to the requirements of the license ie, mainly, naming the source. Hope thos help. Best regards, cordialement, et Hop ! Kikuyu3 Sous l'Arbre à palabres 17 juillet 2015 à 22:52 (CEST)
Actually the CC-BY-SA licence is not compatible with the CC-0 license on Wikidata but it doesn’t matter since population data is not really subject to copyright (just numbers). But I think Mati7 is asking how to retreive the data from frwiki to wikidata, maybe with a bot? Try to ask on d:Wikidata talk:WikiProject France or d:Wikidata:Bot requests. Kind regards, — Thibaut にゃんぱすー 17 juillet 2015 à 23:34 (CEST)
@Thibaut Ok, thank You. Mati7 (discuter) 20 juillet 2015 à 13:07 (CEST)

Wiki labels & Revision Scoring as a Service for French Wikipedia[modifier]

Hello French Wikipedia,

I apologize for my complete lack of French skills. I would most welcome if my post is translated to French.

So computers are very good at crunching numbers. Your average calculator can out smart you in arithmetic. However computers are terrible at pretty much in everything else. Programming computers to under take any task no matter how simple beyond computing tends to be very difficult. This is where Artificial Intelligence comes in. With Artificial Intelligence we teach computers how to solve problems without explicit programming for the solution. This is what we are doing.

We are working on a project called m:Research:Revision scoring as a service which aims to provide quality control Artificial Intelligence infrastructure for Mediawiki and Wikimedia projects. We already have our system implemented and running on Azerbaijani, English, Persian, Portuguese, Spanish and Turkish editions on Wikipedia. We are hoping to adapt our tool to serve French language as well as a number of other languages.

We are currently mainly focusing on vandalism detection where we provide an API (m:ORES) that provides scores. We have made an effort to keep our system robust.

The examples I'll provide are based on a machine learning algorithm that was trained to use 20,000 reverted edits. This is kind of modelling is problematic for two reasons. First is, there are non-vandalism related reasons for edits to be reverted such as mistakes from new users, this would develop such an unproductive bias. Second problem would be it lacks the ability to distinguish good faith users from malicious ones. To demonstrate our system I will give three examples from English wikipedia. I have picked these three semi-random.

  • Score of 90% diff en:Moncef Mezghanni
    • As visible in the diff, it is clearly something that shouldn't be welcome on English wikipedia. Algorithms confidence also matches my human assessment.
  • Score of 75% diff en:Monin
    • When I look at the diff it isn't immediately clear to me if this should be reverted. Detailed look reveals that prior version had more neutral information, but new version at a glance isn't exactly clear cut vandalism, albeit spammy. Algorithms confidence drops just as my human assessment.
  • Score of 19% diff en:Curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back
    • As visible in the diff this edit clearly improves the article. The algorithms confidence plummets as well. Algorithm is more confident that this edit should NOT be reveted.

We are also working towards a system for article quality where we use existing assessment by en:Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Teamto train our system. We only have this system on English wikipedia at the moment but we would be more than happy to expand to other language editions. I am uncertain if French Wikipedia has a similar quality assessment scale. I have picked 5 random articles to demonstrate this.

Typical problem is that humans typically do not re-asses articles over time or articles are never assessed in the first place. Our system circumvents this problem by automating this.

We have already gathered some language features such as bad words and informal words. We already have a localization of en:Wikipedia:Labels serving as our local landing page: Wikipédia:Label. We have also started an edit quality campaign where we request the local community to hand code/label ~2000 revisions labeling them productive/damaging and good faith/bad faith. This would be similar to the campaign on English Wikipedia en:Wikipedia:Labels/Edit quality.

After this we will be able to generate scores for revisions that is usable by gadgets such as ScoredRevisions as well as (potentially) tools like huggle. If community desires it, it can even be used to create a local vandalism reversion bot.

So in a nutshell our algorithm relies on community input to support the community. Feel free to ask any questions. Either here, on meta or on IRC on the freenode server and #wikimedia-ai channel where we hang out. You can also reach us at

-- とある白い猫 chi? 17 août 2015 à 13:59 (CEST)

Hello Notification とある白い猫 : for your information, French wikipedia has a counter vandalism bot, Salebot (d · c · b), owned by Gribeco (d · c · b). He is using a scordcard Utilisateur:Salebot/Config, based on en:User:ClueBot/Source#Score list. So, probably the best way should be to discuss with Gribeco about your new algorithm. You can see also with the RC patrol (Wikipédia:Patrouille RC) what they can except (I informed them about your message). --Sisyph 19 août 2015 à 10:51 (CEST)
Hi, we provide scores to the general communities consumption (including tool/bot developers and users). We need help from the general community to help identify what damaging/productive edits look like and what good faith/bad faith edits look like. We have the wiki labels campaign for this. -- とある白い猫 chi? 28 août 2015 à 22:27 (CEST)

Duplicate categories?[modifier]

Catégorie:Culture catalane and Catégorie:Culture en Catalogne aren't they about the same subject? If so can these be merged? Mbch331 (discuter) 25 août 2015 à 11:51 (CEST)

Usage of primary sources in articles[modifier]

I'm curious about the assertions another user made at Discussion_utilisateur:Arroser#Sources - For an article on Swissôtel, the company website would be the primary source since the company is talking about itself. And the location of the corporate headquarters ("Swissôtel Hotels & Resorts, Balz-Zimmermannstr. 7, 8058 Zurich-Airport, CH. Registered number CH-020.3.925.568-2 ") is a factual statement that has no interpretation. It is used in conjunction with the website of the building, Priora Business Center, to show that the building at that address has the name "Priora Business Center": "Priora Business Center Balsberg Balz-Zimmermann-Strasse 7 CH-8302 Kloten"

So doesn't that mean that I can use the Swissôtel website and the building website just to source the location of the corporate headquarters? WhisperToMe (d) 9 avril 2013 à 06:07 (CEST)

Wikidata phase 2 (infoboxes) is here[modifier]


Sorry for writing in English. I hope someone can translate this. If you understand German better than English you can have a look at the announcement on de:Wikipedia:Kurier.

A while ago the first phase of Wikidata was enabled on this Wikipedia. This means you are getting the language links in each article from Wikidata. We have now enabled the second phase of Wikidata (infoboxes) here. We have already done this on the [first 11 Wikipedias] (it, he, hu, ru, tr, uk, uz, hr, bs, sr, sh) a month ago and two days ago on the English Wikipedia. Today all the remaining Wikipedias followed.

What does having phase 2 enabled here mean? You are now able to make use of the structured data that is available on Wikidata in your articles/infoboxes. It includes things like the symbol for a chemical element, the ISBN for a book or the top level domain of a country. (None of this will happen automatically. Someone will have to change the article or infobox template for this to happen!) The current state is just the beginning though. It will be extended based on feedback we get from you now.

How will this work? There are two ways to access the data:

  • Use a parser function like {{#property:p159}} in the wiki text of the article on Wikimedia Foundation. This will return “San Francisco” as that is the headquarter location of the non-profit.
  • For more complicated things you can use Lua. The documentation for this is here.

We are working on expanding the parser function so you can for example use {{#property:headquarter location}} instead of {{#property:p159}}. The complete plan for this is here.

Where can I test this? You can test it on test2 if you don't want to do it in an article here.

Where can I find more information and ask questions? We have collected the main questions in an FAQ for this deployment. Please ask questions you might have on the FAQ’s discussion page.

I want to be kept up to date about Wikidata To stay up-to-date on everything happening around Wikidata please subscribe to the newsletter that is delivered weekly to subscribed user’s talk pages.

We are excited about taking yet another step towards allowing all Wikipedias share structured data and collect and curate it together. --Lydia Pintscher 24 avril 2013 à 21:06 (CEST)

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Unhinged ?[modifier]

Hi everyone ;-)

Comment pourrait-on traduire correctement unhinged en parlant du contenu d'un bouquin ? Entre dérangé, déséquilibré ou délirant, je reste dubitatif autant qu'insatisfait... Thanks a lot in advance ;-) --Bibliorock (d) 7 juin 2013 à 13:38 (CEST)

Population and Wikidata[modifier]

We would like to use Your data about population of French communities in our Wikipedia (pl). Your data is extensive and bona fide, so opportunity to use them would definitely help in development of our Wiki. We'd like to use them in an ednless currency mode, what could be possible by sharing them through Wikidata. Their exposition would also enable their usage on other Wikipedias.
Regards, Mati7 (discuter) 17 juillet 2015 à 18:32 (CEST)