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Bistro des non-francophones[modifier le code]

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Cette page de discussion est destinée aux non-francophones. Elle permet de discuter à propos de la Wikipédia francophone et de demander de l'aide. Les messages peuvent être écrits dans toutes les langues, y compris en français, même approximatif. Si vous vous exprimez dans une autre langue que le français ou l'anglais, il sera plus difficile de vous répondre, mais on essaiera dans la mesure du possible de vous trouver un interlocuteur parlant votre langue.

Le nombre d'articles dans la Wikipédia francophone est de 2 041 151.

En bref :

  • Vous pouvez poser des questions sur les versions françaises des projets Wikimedia;
  • Vous pouvez poser des questions sur la langue française, la culture française et la culture des pays francophones;
  • Vous pouvez poser des questions sur les logiciels MediaWiki;
  • Vous êtes invité à nous donner votre avis sur la Wikipédia francophone;
  • Les requêtes concernant les robots sont faites (de préférence en anglais ou en français) sur Wikipédia:Bot/Statut.

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Fanny Bloc[modifier le code]

Fanny Bloc is a French voice actress who appeared in many animated shows and films. It's strange to see that there's no article about her in any edition of Wikipedia (including the French Wikipedia right here). JSH-alive (discuter) 8 juin 2018 à 06:59 (CEST)

The small article (1.5 ko), without any source, was deleted after a unanimous AfD. — Zebulon84 (discuter) 9 juin 2018 à 02:29 (CEST)
Okay. There was an attempt. Where should I go to formally ask for article creation? In fact, I can't find a fitting category for voice actress within Wikipédia:Articles à créer. (And I'm not sure if "Fanny Bloc" is a real name or not.) JSH-alive (discuter) 9 juin 2018 à 15:18 (CEST)
Notification JSH-alive : as the article was deleted after an AfD, it have to go through the equivalent or en:Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion : Wikipédia:Demande de restauration de page. And you have to provide serious sources, otherwise the demand will be dismissed. — Zebulon84 (discuter) 9 juin 2018 à 18:59 (CEST)

Copyright changes[modifier le code]

As some here may be aware, there are some planned (and in my opinion illogical) changes to EU copyright policy being proposed.

Amongst them would be a requirement to filter user submitted content for copyrighted works, something that is hard to do, and given that it amounts to editorial influence by the platform, affect certain other protections Wikipedia's have previously enjoyed even outside nominal EU jurisdiction.

I was advised on IRC, to bring disscusion about how to respond to this on-wiki( partly so it can be translated more effectively than on IRC).

Although it may be too radical one proposal I was going to suggest was that some Wikipedia's most affected by the change ( like French Wikipedia) quietly 'disconnect' or 'vanish' articles related to those interests that want tighter copyright controls, or it seems don't want their content (or knoweldege about it) to be shared.

If they don't want to share, French Wikipedia can I think (and probably should) respect that, but No sharing means No links, No coverage. (Just like Brexit has been indicated to have consequences, so should respecting a 'non-share' viewpoint, have appropriate consequences ;) )

Under this, a topic on something related to a "non-share" party would be replaced with something like : "Wikipedia is unable to cover this topic because of the decision of a related third party, to express a view that they do not want their content (or knowledge of it) to be shared.

Wikipedia being a responsive platform, respects that not everyone wants to share, and so has temporarily removed content relating to that party or their works. If you would like to see this topic covered, please contact the parties related and politely encourage them to re-think their position. "

Short, but appropriately worderd it should focus attention, whereas a general blackout would not. ShakespeareFan00 (discuter) 20 juin 2018 à 18:07 (CEST)

Notification Pyb : que la question intéresse. --Shev (discuter) 20 juin 2018 à 18:16 (CEST)
thx Notification Shev123 :
Hi Notification ShakespeareFan00 :,
Do you know that Wikimedia projects are exempt from the Articles 11 and 13? The Council and European Parliament (JURI) text say different things, but both exclude us. So it depends on the final agreed upon version of the text. JURI text says "Services acting in a non-commercial purpose capacity" and the Council text includes in its scope any service that gives access to content "which it organises and promotes for profit-making purposes." There is another mention dedicated to our projects: "non-for-profit online encyclopaedias, non-for-profit educational and scientific repositories".
So Wikipedia will not directly and immediately suffer from this law. Pyb (discuter) 20 juin 2018 à 18:28 (CEST)
The precise meaning of 'non-profit' and 'non-commerical' are open to interpretation, Commons allows commercial re-use of files from the repository, even if it's not making money itself. Creative Commons license (unless they are NC) allow for commercial re-use so... Wikipedia MAY (and I use MAY here) be unaffected, but Article 11 and 13 are still objectionable, as they make it harder to reuse content. On the other hand, if it means genuinly education images get put on Commons rather than Flikr, because there's less upload hassle... ShakespeareFan00 (discuter) 20 juin 2018 à 18:39 (CEST)

Baltic region[modifier le code]

Hello there! I would like to ask your help. Currently, there is two articles about Baltic region in France:

In my opinion, these Wikidata items should be merged. Could you merge these two France articles if you can confirm that their content could be in one article? Currently, these items have 29+4 links. Please ping me if you answer! Best regards, Bencemac (discuter) 12 juillet 2018 à 19:12 (CEST)

Hi Bencemac,
It's a little bit different.
The article Baltikum is about an historical notion and region, not matching the current notion of the Baltic area, the subject of the Région de la Baltique. --Dereckson (discuter) 16 juillet 2018 à 12:18 (CEST)
Notification Dereckson : I see. Thanks your answer! Bencemac (discuter) 20 juillet 2018 à 15:22 (CEST)

Is the FRwiki community willing to have a Simple French Wikipedia be incubated on here?[modifier le code]

Dear French Wikipedia users,

I was informed that meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia French Simple 3 is eligible for a project, but that Langcom would prefer having the Simple French Wikipedia incubated on FRwiki instead of on Meta. There needs to be a community discussion on whether FRwiki users are okay with this. If not, there are some other ways forward (so the project isn't in jeopardy if FRwiki says no), but if so, then the process may begin :)

@Ajraddatz @AJona1992 @Aridd @Yottie @Ansei @Eptalon @Dereckson @Embu wiki @StevenJ81

Thank you, WhisperToMe (discuter) 7 août 2018 à 16:37 (CEST)

Notification Pyb : Si je comprends bien il y a une demande pour une version de wikipédia en français simple. --Shev (discuter) 7 août 2018 à 16:44 (CEST)
I can't speak about rulesets, in English, there are different rulesets/wordlists for specialized vocabularies (like for media usage, British English, with 850 and 1500 words..); I guess these exists for French as well. The big question though: can we keep the two "separate enough" that this will work out? - Do you think we can get a base of at least 20 editors wanting to contribute? --Eptalon (discuter) 7 août 2018 à 16:48 (CEST)
Personally, no matter how you want to set up this, I'm totally in favour of a Simple French Wikipedia. So it's a yes for me. --— Blason Projet-Blasons.svg Embu [Discussion] Blason France moderne.svg 7 août 2018 à 17:35 (CEST)
Yes, I think a « Français simple » edition would be a good idea. At least, I see no reason not to give it a try in an incubator incorporated within the French Wikipedia. Aridd (discuter) 8 août 2018 à 14:50 (CEST)
I love the idea of a Simple French Wikipedia! — Exilexi [Discussion] 8 août 2018 à 15:00 (CEST)
But I am not sure such a ruleset/worldlist (français de base, français simple, français simplifié vocabulaire minimum, ou autre) exists. --Pa2chant. (discuter) 8 août 2018 à 15:14 (CEST)
I would go with Français simplifié or Français scolaire, I think. Français de base sounds weird and français simple is a rather literal translation of the English version. — Exilexi [Discussion] 8 août 2018 à 15:17 (CEST)
Radio France International uses the term "français facile". Français scolaire is IMO too vague (there are multiple school curricula around the world...). By the way, there is also already Vikidia, aimed at children and written in a simple French language. Skimel (discuter) 8 août 2018 à 15:43 (CEST)
Isn't the current version simple enough ? TuhQueur (discuter) 8 août 2018 à 16:29 (CEST)
Although I'm no longer active that much as an editor, I do believe the project is worth pursuing. French is too often over-complicated and if anything is easier to simplify than English. @Eptalon It would be possible to collate/create similar lists for a French version. They would likely not mirror the BE850/1500, however they could be based on a variety of most commonly used French words lists. I also favour français simplifié, as suggested by Exilexi. Sounds most natural to me. --Yottie (discuter) 11 août 2018 à 01:19 (CEST)

@WhisperToMe:Sorry; I just saw this. (Pings don't work unless you remove the signature and re-add it.)
To all: I just made a comment in the main discussion, but would reiterate here: This project would have to be based on français fondamental or it would fall outside the LangCom guidelines. Naturally, a community will have to be able to address items that aren't really covered explicitly within français fondamental. Still, we don't want to create a brand new "simple French" variety here; we want to use something established and recognized. Any questions, please ask. StevenJ81 (discuter) (clerk of the Language Committee) 20 août 2018 à 18:18 (CEST)

@WhisperToMe I like very much the idea of a Wikipedia in French Simple but I'm a bit unsure on incubating here, how would it look like? For the big question about the name, I would go with « français facile » (« français simplifié » is a bit deprecative - and simplifié is not a simple word ;) - and « français scolaire » doesn't mean anything, kindergarten or university are both school, and the project doesn't target the children - there is Vikidia and Co for that). « français fondamental » and « français élémentaire » could also be valid option but I’m not really convinced, again « fondamental » and « élémentaire » are not simple words. Fo references, the Google ngram of these 5 names for 1988-2008. Cdlt, Vigneron * discut. 20 août 2018 à 20:06 (CEST)
Let me just note briefly that what you call it can be whatever you want. The language basis needs to be français fondamental; that’s all. StevenJ81 (discuter) 21 août 2018 à 15:29 (CEST)
Utilisateur:VIGNERON whichever name you like is best. I'm happy with "français facile"! WhisperToMe (discuter) 26 août 2018 à 03:12 (CEST)
@VIGNERON et @WhisperToMe Ditto from me. Basis should be français fondamental as far as is useful, but it can certainly be called "français facile". StevenJ81 (discuter) 27 août 2018 à 17:10 (CEST)
It’s obviously not my place to close this. But it sounds as if this community is willing to let this happen. So as soon as there is some sort of main landing page for the effort, let me know, so that I can close the request on Meta and point people to it. StevenJ81 (discuter) 28 août 2018 à 15:41 (CEST)

French translation of pt:Wikipédia:Comunicado_sobre_o_Museu_Nacional[modifier le code]

Hello! The Portuguese Wikipedia issued a notice asking for images of the National Museum of Brazil, and it is also seeking translations of this notice. Would anyone mind writing a French version?

Thank you, WhisperToMe (discuter) 6 septembre 2018 à 19:39 (CEST)

Thanks to @Odjob16 for translating most of it! There are some parts of pt:Wikipédia:Comunicado_sobre_o_Museu_Nacional/fr that are still in English.WhisperToMe (discuter) 7 septembre 2018 à 10:59 (CEST)
My pleasure, I'm glad to be of help! – Odjob16 (Discuter) 7 septembre 2018 à 16:19 (CEST)
@Odjob16 Hi again! They're asking for additional help here: pt:Wikipédia_Discussão:Comunicado_sobre_o_Museu_Nacional#Links para compartilhamento em redes sociais WhisperToMe (discuter) 10 septembre 2018 à 13:27 (CEST)